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    © DR - IL ETAIT UNE FOIS EN AMERIQUE (1984) p5

    23/10/2012 15:58

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     La saga

    Il était une fois en Amérique (envisagé au départ sous le titre d'Il était une fois l'Amérique) n'est autre que le troisième volet de la grande saga portant sur plusieurs périodes clés de l'histoire américaine.Le premier opus, Il était une fois dans l'Ouest, se situant à l'époque de la conquête de l'Ouest. Le second, Il était une fois la Révolution, se déroulait en pleine révolution mexicaine, et enfin Il était une fois en Amérique, revenant sur la période de la Prohibition et l'avènement du gangstérisme.Il s'agit de l'« œuvre testamentaire » du grand Sergio Leone qui mourut 5 ans après la sortie douloureuse de ce film. L'année de sa mort, il s'était consacré à un projet portant sur le siège de Leningrad.

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    Roger Ebert (2)

    No, in the sense that the movie is compulsively and continuously watchable and that the audience did not stir or grow restless as the epic unfolded."The movie tells the story of five decades in the lives of four gangsters from New York City -- childhood friends who are merciless criminals almost from the first, but who have a special bond of loyalty to each other. When one of them breaks that bond, or thinks he does, he is haunted by guilt until late in his life, when he discovers that he was not the betrayer but the betrayed. Leone's original version tells this story in a complex series of flashbacks, memories, and dreams.

    The film opens with two scenes of terrifying violence, moves to an opium den where the Robert De Niro character is seeking to escape the consequences of his action, and then establishes its tone with a scene of great power: A ceaselessly ringing telephone, ringing forever in the conscience of a man who called the cops and betrayed his friends.






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    23/10/2012 16:04

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    La genèse

    Avant de s'attaquer définitivement à Il était une fois en Amérique, il lui fut proposé de porter à l'écran la non moins célèbre saga Le Parrain, dont Mario Puzo était l'auteur, mais il refusa pour se consacrer entièrement à son propre projet, lui-même tiré d'un roman intitulé À main armée, de Harry Grey, basé sur une histoire vraie.La rédaction du scénario de Il était une fois en Amérique allait lui demander près de douze ans de sa vie, aidé par de nombreux scénaristes.Le scénario achevé, c'est un producteur qu'il lui fallait trouver, et ce ne fut pas une tâche des plus aisées à nouveau pour Leone. Mais heureusement, Arnon Milchan, un tout jeune producteur, se présenta à lui pour concrétiser son œuvre sur la pellicule.
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    Roger Ebert (3)

    The film moves back and forth in a tapestry of episodes, which all fit together into an emotional whole. There are times when we don't understand exactly what is happening, but never a time when we don't feel confidence in the film's narrative.That version was not seen in American theaters, although it is now available on cassette [and DVD]. Instead, the whole structure of flashbacks was junked. The telephone rings once.

    The poetic transitions are gone. The movie has been wrenched into apparent chronological order, scenes have been thrown out by the handful, relationships are now inexplicable, and the audience is likely to spend much of its time in complete bewilderment. It is a great irony that this botched editing job was intended to "clarify" the film.Here are some of the specific problems with the shortened version.






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    23/10/2012 16:09

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    La musique

    Ennio Morricone, compositeur attitré de Sergio Leone, composa même la partition du film plus de dix ans avant le tournage. Mais ceci était une habitude des deux compagnons.Sergio Leone pouvait alors diffuser la musique sur haut parleur durant le tournage pour que l'équipe du film et les comédiens s'emparent de l'ambiance particulière de ses productions.Cela l'aidait aussi personnellement dans son propre travail, afin d'adapter le rythme de mise en scène, le découpage déjà présent dans sa tête, etc.

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    Roger Ebert (fin)

    A speakeasy scene comes before a newspaper headline announces that Prohibition has been ratified. Prohibition is then repealed, on what feels like the next day but must be six years later. Two gangsters talk about robbing a bank in front of a woman who has never been seen before in the film; they've removed the scene explaining who she is. A labor leader turns up, unexplained, and involves the gangsters in an inexplicable situation. He later sells out, but to whom? Men come to kill De Niro's girlfriend, a character we've hardly met, and we don't know if they come from the mob or the police. And here's a real howler: At the end of the shortened version, De Niro leaves a room he has never seen before by walking through a secret panel in the wall.

    How did he know it was there? In the long version, he was told it was there. In the short version, his startling exit shows simple contempt for the audience.Many of the film's most beautiful shots are missing from the short version, among them a bravura moment when a flash-forward is signaled by the unexpected appearance of a Frisbee, and another where the past becomes the present as The Beatles' "Yesterday" sneaks into the sound track. Relationships are truncated, scenes are squeezed of life, and I defy anyone to understand the plot of the short version. The original "Once Upon a Time in America" gets a four-star rating. The shorter version is a travesty.






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    23/10/2012 16:20

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    Cast
    Robert De Niro: David « Noodles » Aaronson
    James Woods  : Maximilian 'Max' Bercovicz
    Elizabeth McGovern  : Deborah Gelly
    Treat Williams: James Conway O'Donnell
    William Forsythe: Philip 'Cockeye' Stein
    James Hayden  : Patrick 'Patsy' Goldberg
    Larry Rapp : Fat' Moe Gelly
    Joe Pesci  : Frankie
    Tuesday Weld  : Carol
    Burt Young  : Joe
    Danny Aiello : Le chef de police Vincent Aiello
    James Russo : Bugsy
    Darlanne Fluegel : Eve
    Dutch Miller : Van Linden
    Robert Harper  : Sharkey
    Richard Bright : Chicken Joe
    Karen Shallo : Lucy Aiello
    Angelo Florio : Willie
    Jennifer Connelly : Deborah Gelly jeune
    Scott Tiler : Noodles jeune
    Rusty Jacobs ) : Max jeune
    Brian Bloom : Patsy jeune
    Adrian Curran : Philip 'Cockeye' Stein jeune
    Mike Monetti : Fat' Moe Gelly jeune
    Noah Moazezi : Dominic
    Arnon Milchan : le chauffeur de Limousine
    Estelle Harris : la mère de Peggy
    Amy Rider : Peggy
    Sergio Leone : le guichetier de la gare
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    La critique US des spectateurs ImdB
     
    Make sure you get the director's cut!
     
    Author: Philip Van der Veken from Tessenderlo, Belgium
    19 September 2004
     
    Many people compare "Once Upon a Time in America" with "The Godfather". In my opinion these two movies can't be compared. Both are masterpieces in their own way, but each of them has a different style. You don't compare a Picasso to Michelangelo's Sixteen Chapel either, do you?What is it that makes this movie a masterpiece? Well, first of all there is the director. Sergio Leone is a real master when it comes to creating a special atmosphere, full of mystery, surprises and drama... He's one of the few directors who understands the art of cutting a movie in such a way that you stay focused until the end.
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    The way the movie was cut is also the reason why a lot of Americans don't think this movie is very special. There are three versions, but only the European version is how the director imagined it to be. He didn't want his movie to be shown in chronological order (1910's - 1930's - 1960's), but wanted to mix these three periods of time. The studio cut the movie in chronological order, loosing a lot of its originality and therefor getting a lot of bad critics. If you want to see this film the way Sergio Leone saw it, you have to make sure you get the director's cut.
    The second reason why this movie is so great is the music. Ennio Morricone, who is seen as the greatest writer of film music ever, did an excellent job. Together with the images, the music speaks for itself in this movie. From time to time there isn't said a word, but the music and the images on their own tell the story. He understood perfectly what Sergio Leone wanted and composed most of the music even before the movie was shot.Last but not least there is also the acting and the script. The actors all did an excellent job. But what else can you expect from actors like Robert De Niro, Joe Pesci... They helped making this movie as great as it is by putting there best effort in it.
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    The script helped them with it. It took twelve years to complete, but it hasn't left any detail untouched. The writers really thought of everything when creating it.I can really recommend this movie to everyone, but especially to people who like the gangster genre. When you want to see the movie, you better be sure that you will have the time for it.
    This isn't a movie that is finished after 90 minutes. You'll have to be able to stay focused during 3 hours and 47 minutes, which will certainly not be easy during the first 20 to 30 minutes. Some scenes at the beginning only make sense when you have seen the end of the movie. But when you are able to stay focused, you'll find this one of the best movies you've ever seen. I certainly did and I rewarded it with a well deserved 10/10.





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    23/10/2012 16:28

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    Photo du haut Joe Pesci (RAGGING BULL-JFK-L'ARME FATALE etc...)
    au centre Burt Young (ROCKY ,ALL THE MARBLES etc...)
    photo du bas,la blonde :Tuesday Weld

     

     Réalisation du film/ Tournage
     

    Pour se préparer au rôle de Noodles, Robert De Niro demanda à s'entretenir avec Meyer Lansky, un gangster dont s'inspire très fortement son personnage. Mais sa requête ne put aboutir.Cette démarche est très représentative du comédien issu de l'Actor's Studio,une école où on ne vous apprend pas à jouer la comédie mais à incarner des personnages.Ainsi, De Niro est entre autres connu pour avoir pris près de trente kilos pour jouer le célèbre boxeur Jake LaMotta dans Raging Bull.Le film demanda au final un investissement de plus de 30 millions de dollars (budget dépassé par le réalisateur).

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    A masterpiece and an atrocity!

    Author: oldguybc from somewhere in CA
    11 January 2005

    This movie was a masterpiece. It ranks as one of the very best in film history, if not the best. At Cannes people yelled and screamed, couldn't believe just how good it was. The profound atrocity was a combination of two completely brainless acts, the first being Zack Stienberg's hatchet job for US release,supposedly requested by either Warner Bros or The Ladd Company (one blames the other now) and the second was the lack of anyone (and everyone) to post anything in this great film for Academy Award consideration, of which probably as many as 14 nominations and 4 sure- fire Oscars went down the toilet.

    These atrocities were perpretrated, I believe, with two reasons in mind, the first to preserve the dim hope of "The Killing Fields" (Daly & Semel's baby) of garnering any awards... and second, to try to boost up the non- foreign chances. Warner Bros knew just how good it was, that goes without saying. The problem was... they already had their share of cash cows and they wanted a real star- studded showpiece to point at. The small minds already had their showpiece but, alas, it was an "eye- tallyan" flick with a producer/director who didn't communicate well. The hatchet job was carefully planned, I believe... the so- called "sneak preview" was done in Canada and not well received, probably due to the fact that the sound system was over- amped and the film 'broke' 3 or 4 times during the showing, what a farce!

    The awards snub started with the GGs and carried right thru. What a myriad of stupid and utterly pointless decisions! Must have literally tore Leone's heart out when he learned what they had done. Morricone's score was a sure- thing Oscar, no question about it. DeNiro and maybe even Woods would have fought it out for best actor, Tuesday Weld as supporting actress, any one of 4 or 5 other supporting actors & actresses, most notably William Forsythe, cinematography, film editing, the list goes on & on... (best picture...Amadeus???? give me a break!!) Just what in the hell were they thinking? Saw it in a theater 20 years ago and then again on TV about 1998 and finally in its correct format(on DVD) about two years ago and again last week at a friend's house. Stirred up all those angry thoughts all over again... sorry about that, getting' old & crotchety.

     






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